Comments on: Iron Fist of the State vs. Invisible Hand of the Market http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/01/22/iron-fist-of-the-state-vs-invisible-hand-of-the-market/ The Revolution Will Be Doodled! Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:43:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dale http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/01/22/iron-fist-of-the-state-vs-invisible-hand-of-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-7209 Dale Wed, 24 Nov 2010 22:41:55 +0000 http://anarchyinyourhead.com/?p=957#comment-7209 Property isn't a black and white idea. The principle is, but it's application in reality never will be. What you call "sticky" is a really a range of stickiness. Even the most hardcore ancap must have some reasonable notion of abandonment and even the most hardcore left anarchist has some notion of stickiness. I hope what makes them both anarchist is an aversion to violence and a rejection of any particular authority figure that gets to set the arbitrary lines. I reject the labels because I reject the false dichotomy and I feel both sides have reasonable points to make about property. When we're seeking to resolve our disputes without violence, hopefully we'll find a happy middle ground using reason, maybe some third party arbiters, and then we won't have to throw anything at each other, sticks, lasers, photon beams, whatever. Property isn’t a black and white idea. The principle is, but it’s application in reality never will be. What you call “sticky” is a really a range of stickiness. Even the most hardcore ancap must have some reasonable notion of abandonment and even the most hardcore left anarchist has some notion of stickiness. I hope what makes them both anarchist is an aversion to violence and a rejection of any particular authority figure that gets to set the arbitrary lines. I reject the labels because I reject the false dichotomy and I feel both sides have reasonable points to make about property. When we’re seeking to resolve our disputes without violence, hopefully we’ll find a happy middle ground using reason, maybe some third party arbiters, and then we won’t have to throw anything at each other, sticks, lasers, photon beams, whatever.

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This is due to the fact that ancaps recognize property as just, ansocs/et al, do not, and see the concept of property as theft.

Because of this, unfortunately, adjectives are required, IMO. Ansocs/et al see property (and more specifically, Lockean ‘sticky property’ as unnatural and a manifestation upheld by the State. Try to tell that to a Bear coming back to his cave, or a dog coming back to see his dog-bone being played with by another dog, etc.

Then again, while the ansocs are throwing sticks and stones at the ancaps (since they wouldn’t be able to create and accumulate capital and resources efficiently, which would greatly hinder the growth of technology), the ancaps would laugh at them behind their forcefields. ;D

]]> By: Nutcasenightmare http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2010/01/22/iron-fist-of-the-state-vs-invisible-hand-of-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-5565 Nutcasenightmare Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:28:23 +0000 http://anarchyinyourhead.com/?p=957#comment-5565 Haha, love the concept! (Well, might be biased here since I think I suggested it to you a while back... Like... Ten months ago. XP) " AnarchyInYourHead (10 months ago) Remove | Block User | Spam Marked as spam Re: Iron Fist vs. Invisible Hand Oh, I might be able to work with that! " Haha, love the concept!
(Well, might be biased here since I think I suggested it to you a while back… Like… Ten months ago. XP)

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Oh, I might be able to work with that! “

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